WUDC 2010 – After Day 1

Getting ready for day two of competition here in Antalya, Turkey at the Koc Worlds. Day one was great – I felt the rounds I saw were much better quality than the rounds in Cork last year – compared laterally of course.

I have a few good ideas for posts coming out of the great conversations and encounters I’ve been having over the past couple of days. One of the most interesting moments was finally getting my hands on a copy of the Monash Debate Review, a publication I have been interested in for a few months now. It looks good, and the editorial staff seems to really be interested in pursuing academic study of debate.

The motions so far have been pretty interesting. I think if anything, they are good for teaching how to approach motions on the first half of the debate. That’s what I’ll be using them for anyway.

Round 1: This House would ban labor unions.
Round 2: This House believes that developing nations should pay the full tuition of female university students.
Round 3: This House would financially incentivize both inter-faith and inter-ethnic marriages.

Now the tab is out for round four, so it’s time to start the day! More to come.

So much for that idea

I had some pretty good video already, even though we just arrived in Turkey. The wireless here though is limited to the hotel lobby, and everyone seems to want to use it at the same time – so video uploading is pretty much out of the question. Instead, I guess I will have to rely on my puny words to describe what is happening. I have a few good photos, and should be able to upload one or two of those as time goes by.

Today is mostly orientation and meeting up with old friends as well as making some new ones. I’m just relaxing for most of the day. There is a mandatory briefing this afternoon.

The highlight of the trip so far was our flight from JFK to Instanbul, which three hours into it had to return to JFK to repair the lavatories. I guess flying for 8 hours without a functioning bathroom is beyond acceptablity. Anyway, we left at 5pm, returned at 8:30 and then were off into the air again at midnight. 25 hours later here I am in Antalya, Turkey!

Ending the Term and WUDC 2010

Taking a short break from preparing for Christmas and a trip to Turkey for the World University Debating Championships next week. I have been doing a bit of shopping and meandering around New York waiting to go to the museum with my Aunt in about half an hour.

The biggest and best news is that I finally finished my doctorate which gives me a lot more time to work on projects that I’ve been waiting to work on a long time. The first is re-designing my public speaking course to attend more to response and consideration of the ideas of others, rather than the standard model of consideration of the ideas of the speaker in a vacuum. I need to design a list of texts for response for each speech, and only keep a couple of speeches in the curriculum that are purely for the speaker to share his or her own thoughts without a context.

Secondly I am trying to design a course that will be the door to placing competitive debate at my University in the curriculum. I feel that full curricular integration is the way to go for both the department and the debate club to flourish. It will allow for the servicing of more diverse majors and students and also give a more honest introduction of the field to the students who happen to stumble into a debate course. I look forward to designing it.

Finally I am considering putting a debate podcast together that will consider the teaching and practice of debate for a wide international audience. I wonder if it should be audio or video. I think it will start audio, and grow from there. At WUDC I hope to kick it off with some video blogging that I will post here. Keep an eye out for it.

WUDC promises to be great – catching up with old friends, making new ones, and as always those impromptu conversations about teaching and learning debate that really help me improve my practice in the new year. I hope it’s going to be a fun one!

Now off to the Guggenheim!

Freud Predicted by Bhagavad Gita

No big enlightening post for today – mostly just a day of catching up on miniscule (yet important) things around the office and in my academic life.
Stumbled across this article arguing that all of Freud’s theories as to the working of the mind, notably the unconscious and the source of emotional reaction, are predicted and theorized in the Bhagavad Gita a long, long time before he picked up a pen.
The question: Does this validate or invalidate Freud? Could go either way. Also perhaps dovetails with some of the argumentative insights from the work of Sen on argument in Indian culture.

Honest Expression vs. Audience Responsibility

I always get a bit bored waiting to teach my late afternoon class, since I’ve done most everything that I can do (lies!) between now and then. As good a time as any to write on the blog.

A good friend of mine sent me this link where Stephen Fry argues that British people are more into having robust arguments than Americans. The author of the linked blog post tends to agree with Fry, and in a why that is almost comical itself. He relates the story of a dinner with very religious attendees where he decides to announce that he doesn’t think God exists. Here’s the best quote:

But looking back, why should I have felt bad about saying what I honestly felt and which was not a personal attack on any one? I had not called anyone an idiot or punched them in the face. All I had said to a group of religious people was that I did not believe that god existed.

His choice to voice his view is defended by a strange, albeit implicit, philosophy. He seems to see argument as based on an intrensic, knowable, and internal good intent/belief that should be expressed. He is confused why this upsets his listeners as he did not verbally or physically assault them. All he had “merely” done is present living proof that their belief system wasn’t true.


That’s all. Oh wait. . .that’s pretty serious. Unfortunately this person is governed by an impoverished theory of language’s role in our lives. It’s an unfortunate, yet common idea that somehow honesty and directness not only trump your responsibility toward others in argument, but are better ethically than that responsibility.

It’s a real disadvantage to our communicative opportunities when people approach situations of argument, claim and response, or discussion from the point of view that language and words are not real, that they are secondary in intensity and scope, and that they are inert and harmless expressions of a reality kept elsewhere. Ignorance of the role that words and language play in the co-construction and negotiation of our shared social reality inevitably lead to moments that, although are not physically violent, are violent none the less. Since he didn’t punch anyone, why are people upset with him? Perhaps he did symbolically punch them. He failed to adapt what he was saying for the audience he was addressing. If one honestly feels they should express themselves by swinging their arms and they punch someone inadvertently, they should apologize.

Why should he feel bad about making others feel bad when he honestly expresses his belief? Perhaps its because somewhere he recognizes the importance of style in ones argument. Without it, a simple claim about a belief can be seen as a devastating personal attack, shutting down the interlocutor’s ability to see a point in continuing the argument. When one effectively argues, attention must be paid to both management of the persuasive moment as well as the quality of argument and refutation. What baffles me is how he can feel wronged when his statement that God does not exist could easily be interpreted as a direct personal attack on his listeners’ belief system.
This brings up the first responsibility in any general argument – your fidelity should be toward making the persuasive moment sustainable, keeping open the possibility for assent to your claim by careful attention to your ethical treatment of your listener/audience/opponent.

Of course, none of this applies in formal debate, which is why formal debate is such a bad model for how to argue informally. In a formal debate, the first responsibility is gone concerning your opponent. But in terms of the judge or audience, that obligation still rests on you. As a novice many of us probably automatically addressed our arguments to our opponent, but were quickly corrected to address arguments to the audience, or judges. This is the first step in the recognition of this important obligation.

Our noble scientist here is legitimately perplexed why the expression of his belief made others uncomfortable. It is because he was inattentive to this obligation. Since he clearly knew that his audience was deeply religious, what could be served by making such a huge, harsh statement? Perhaps he felt good about expressing his view. One must serve the argumentative situation as much as serving conviction in order to be effective.

An argumentation model that proposes no apologies for expressing honest belief is not a very good one. It is a model that gets many shouting voices without rejoinder. Adaptation of one’s honest belief into a form that can facilitate some molding, working with, or even some desire to entertain the idea seems necessary.
Of course there will be moments where incommensurability appears. But we shouldn’t invite those moments with our first utterance. This poor guy needs to recognize that words can be as violent as a punch (and I think he somewhat does since “calling someone an idiot” is immediately mentioned as well). In these cases, the ethic is one where you know that the expression will hurt the other person, but they must hear it. These cases are somewhat rare, and are often twisted into justifications to pronounce one’s beliefs honestly and directly without care for the listener.
Maintaining that liminal potentially persuasive space is incredibly important if one wants to engage in productive argumentation like Stephen Fry seems to want as he’s quoted in that post. But if you want grandstanding and to make yourself feel better about your ideas, go with honest and direct pronouncement. The trick to good argumentation is nuance and attentiveness to every moment, not worry about the metaphysics of “good argument” or fidelity to some ancient moral subjectivity of laying bare the soul no matter the effect. The view of argument from rhetoric is one of negotiation, which comes with it the most important postulate – that when advancing a belief one risks giving it up if the rejoinder is persuasive enough. One puts oneself on the line quite literally in an argument – and such openness should be treated with care.