Central Question: What is the proper relationship between debate and rhetoric?
Petitio: What relationship, if any, do they have now?
Lead in with some of the Deborah Tannen critique of argument and debate. Posit that debate and rhetoric are distinct, and that this distinction helps them help us.
Object for analysis: Jon Stewart’s appearance on the late CNN show “Crossfire.”
Show about half of it – then the questions are:
1) What is the model of debate posited here?
2) What is the model of argument here?
3) What is the role or model of rhetoric here?
I think the “talk” is a dreaded activity by most members of the audience. I think that people giving “talks” think of the talk in the terms of the audience, and then deliver something that meets some if not all of those dreadful expectations.
I’m trying to think of a way around it and a way of making the talk a bit more interactive as well as appear to be something that everyone has already thought about before – the theme in my head now is that the world fails to explain itself, and these two discourses are attempts to get an explanation.
On top of this I’m preparing talks for my trip to Japan in June to do lectures, and I hope that from this talk I can get a sense of how well or poorly my innovative methods do. I also should keep in mind I think the particularities of the Japanese audience as well.
I may video the presentation and put it up here because in reality it is a secret appeal to start a debate program at Queens College. Hope you can keep a secret!
1. Coaching Debate at the High School Level and the University level in the US (requested topic).
2. Debate as Hermeneutic
3. Policy Debate and Worlds Debate: Diction, Distinction, Difference
4. Disembodied Argumentation: Everything new is old again.
As I get outlines I will post them, and when I do them, I think I may post the videos. The trip is in June which gives me about a month to finish up this 4 disc Japanese course I’m cramming.
Now it’s time to get ready to attend a small conference on Jack Kerouac in Manhattan this afternoon. Kerouac is my other research interest when I’m not talking about argumentation theory or teaching debate and argument.
myself, Neill Harvey-Smith, Beth Connor, and Loke Wing Fatt, all in my apartment.
After US nationals we have had a surge of debate activity here at the University – first Loke Wing Fatt joined us from Singapore and immediately got into teaching with some short suggestions to the students for how to improve their techniques as well as a full critique of a practice debate held on the handgun motion from the national final round in Vermont.
After that Neill and Beth arrived and graciously offered to conduct a workshop before they returned home after a long series of engagements in the US – CAing and DCAing the US nats, judging at the Hobart & William Smith Round Robin, and doing a few days of workshops at Colgate University upstate. They did drills and answered questions for nearly 3 hours to a group of students from St. John’s, The King’s College and Adelphi.
It was great having them here and I must admit this morning I’ve been a bit unanchored and remiss to return to my normal daily life of reading, writing, grading and teaching.
I got a lot of great advice from Loke. He has really keen insight into debate, and especially how to structure a successful program. I hope to impliment his ideas soon. Neill and Beth were great for bouncing ideas off of, and chatting about the explosive advance of WUDC style debating in the United States. I think we had some very constructive and interesting conversations and I am certain that WUDC debating in the US will continue to grow. My concern is uncontrolled random growth without much direction. Preparing for a WUDC touranment is different than other formats – and the perception is that prep in one format might be more than enough for prep in another format. This bad perception can lead to dissapoinment at the first touranment and rejection of the format. It’s up to those who are familiar with the format to make sure that new programs get the support and guidance they need. And no, a morning briefing the day of the tournament will not be enough.
So I am very grateful to my new international debate coach friends. And I hope to see them again soon. Who would have thought only a few years ago that there was this international community of debate educators so willing to spend their valuable time helping out others who are just getting started?